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(00:00) these are the 16 times Elon Musk completely blew Joe Rogan’s mind from colonizing Mars unreleased neurolink technology billionaire conspiracy theories and the true dangers of AI leading to the end of the world these are the most mind-blowing conversations between Joe Rogan and Elon Musk from JRE this brings us to the first clip where Elon lays out his plan to make Mars habitable basically turning it into Earth 2.
(00:26) 0 after he’s done colonizing it this is a conversation from episode 2054 well at first you would have to have a life support system um because Mars has a low density atmosphere only about 1% the density of Earth and it’s primarily CO2 now over time you could you can terraform Mars terraform means make it like Earth essentially and if you warm Mars up you will um there’s a bunch of Frozen CO2 that will evaporate densify the atmosphere and um you’d actually want kind of global warming on Mars Elon begins to explain to Joe that Mars has large Frozen oce deep underground and
(01:01) it’s believed at one point in time Mars had a a much different environment right uh it is it appears highly likely that Mars had liquid oceans I’ll be a long time ago there’s a lot of ice so this this Mars is um covered in ice um and now the ice is then covered in dust for the mo mostly except at the poles uh so there’s there’s there’s a lot of ice in fact I believe if if Mars was warmed up you’d have an ocean about a mile deep deep on uh 40% of the of the planet take a look at this image this is what Mars looked like 3 billion years
(01:37) ago naturally Joe asks the question on everyone’s mind what happened to all that water what’s the prevailing theory of its demise well just over time the solar system cooled so Earth used to be much hot like it in the very early Earth was like molten rock you know so really almost nothing could survive in the beginning we’re just a wall of lava we’re still mostly a wall of lava um we’re like Beret like there’s a thin crust and uh and it’s mus mushy Rock under super very hot mushy Rock underneath um and technically that that
(02:09) rock is in a semi solid state but as soon as it gets to a low pressure like pops out of the ocean uh you have a volcano obviously with lava yeah so it’s um at at at at at service ambient pressure U the we’re basically covered in liquid rock you know what’s even crazier than Elon Musk wanting to colonize Mars back in 1952 Werner Von Brown a former Nazi scientist and the father of Nas’s Space Program wrote a book called the Mars project and in this book Werner described a human Colony on Mars but here’s the wildest part the
(02:40) leader of the colony is named Elon is this a sign that we live in a simulation up next Elon and Joe discuss if we live in a simulation and how our lives might become increasingly intertwined with technology this is a conversation from episode number 1,69 how connected and interconnected is this technology going to be in our life you will be at some point indistinguishable from reality where we lose this we lose this like you and I are just looking at each other through our eyes I see you you see me I think I
(03:08) hope you think so I think you probably have regular eyes this could be some simulation it could do you entertain that well the argument for the simulation I think is quite strong because if you assume any Improvement at all over time any Improvement 1% 1% just extend the time frame make it a thousand years a million years the universe is 13.
(03:30) 8 billion years old what would civilization if you count it if you’re very generous civilization is maybe 7 or 8,000 years old if you count it from the first writing this is nothing this is nothing um so if you assume any rate of improvement at all then games will be indistinguishable from reality or civilization will end one of those two things will occur the two then discuss the theory that if we’re not already in a simulation and are still living in the real world we may be on a path to creating simulations so Advanced that future humans won’t be able to tell the
(04:02) difference between what’s real and fake most certainly be on the road we could be on the road to that right it doesn’t mean that it has to could be in Bas reality we could be in Bas reality we could be here now on our way to the road or on our way to the destination where this can never happen again where we are completely ingrained in some sort of an artificial technology or some sort of a symbiotic relationship with the Internet or the next level of sharing information but right now we’re not there yet that’s
(04:30) possible too right it’s possible that a simulation is one day going to be inevitable that we’re going to have something that’s indistinguishable from regular reality but maybe we’re not there yet that’s also possible Joe asks Elon if he believes in the Multiverse Theory Elon agrees stating that he thinks there are many realities he also shares a theory that if we’re indeed living in a simulation then everything outside of this would likely be extremely boring are you a proponent of the multi- universes Theory do you
(04:56) believe that there are many many universes and that even if this one Fades out that there’s other ones that are starting freshh right now and there’s an infinite number of them and they’re just constantly in this never- ending cycle of birth and death I think most likely this is just about probability there are many many simulations these simulations are you might as well call them reality or you could call them Multiverse these simulations you believe are created like someone has manufactur they’re running on the substrate so that substrate is
(05:26) probably boring boring mhm how so well when we create a simulation like a game or a movie it’s a distillation of what’s interesting about life you know like it it takes take a year to shoot an action movie and then that’s hold to slow down into 2 or 3 hours so let me tell you if you see an action movie being filmed it’s freaking it’s boring super boring it takes there’s like lots of takes there everything’s in a green screen looks pretty goofy doesn’t look cool but once you add the CGI it’s and and have great
(06:00) editing it’s amazing so I think most likely if we’re a simulation it’s really boring outside the simulation CU why would you make a simulation that’s boring it make simulation way more interesting than base reality that is if this right now is a simulation yes the two question what being somewhere even means after all when you’re in virtual reality physically you’re in one place maybe sitting in a room but in your mind you feel like you’re somewhere else Joe questions how we determine what’s real is it based on your physical body like
(06:28) your weight or location or is it based on your perception what your mind is experiencing when you’re in that in that some in that virtual reality which is only going to get better where are you where are you really right you aren’t anywhere well where is you’re in the computer what what you know what defines where you are is exactly it’s your perception is it your perceptions or is it you know a scale that we have under your butt you’re right here I’ve measured you you’re the same weight as you were when you left but you Meanwhile
(06:56) your experience why you think you’re where you are right now you might not be I’ll spark up a joint if you keep talking your manager’s gonna come in here we might have to lock the door right now you think you’re in a studio in La that’s what I heard you might be in a computer oh listen man I think about this all the time yeah I mean it’s unquestionable that one day that’ll be the case as long as we keep going as long as nothing interrupts us and if we start from scratch and you know we’re single cell organisms all over again and
(07:23) then millions and millions of years later we become the next thing that is us with creativity and the ability to change its environment it’s going to keep monkeying with things until it figures out a way to change reality up next Joe Rogan dives into how elon’s mind works Elon opens up about the pressures he’s faced since childhood describing how his mind has always been overflowing with ideas he also shares the weight of being a genius this is a conversation from episode number 1,169 it takes one man like Nicola Tesla
(07:53) to have more than a hundred inventions that were patents right I mean he had pretty great pretty amazing ideas yes but there was in his day there was very few people like him yeah that is true what if there was a million like what and then things would Advance very quickly right but there’s not a million Elon Musk there’s one do you think about that or you just try to not H I don’t think I don’t think you’d necessarily want to be me I don’t think I think people would like it that much well most people wouldn’t but they can’t
(08:33) be you so that’s like that’s like some superhero type when asked why he works so much Elon tells Joe that he enjoys getting things done and being useful he adds that achieving both has become increasingly difficult in today’s world curious Joe asks Elon to elaborate on what he means when you say you like to get things done like in terms of like what gives you satisfaction when you complete a project when something something that you invent comes to fruition and you see people enjoying it that feeling yes doing something useful
(09:05) for other people that I like doing that’s interesting for other people yes so that do you think that that is maybe the way you recognize that you have this unusual position in the culture where you can uniquely influence certain things because of this I mean you essentially have a gift right I mean you you would think it was a curse but I’m sure it’s been fueled by many many years of discipline and and learning but you essentially have a gift and that you have this radical sort of creativity engine when it comes to
(09:42) Innovation and Technology it’s like you’re just you’re going at a very high RPMs all the time what is that like it doesn’t stop I don’t know what would happen if I got into a sensory deprivation tank sounds concerning like running the engine with no resistance Joe asks Elon if he’s ever tried meditation to calm his constantly racing mind Elon says he has but didn’t take much liking to it Elon further describes his mind as being in a constant NeverEnding explosion and Joe asks him to explain what that experience
(10:15) feels like have you ever experimented experimented with meditation or anything yes what do you do or what have you done rather I mean just sort of sit there and be quiet and then repeat some Mantra which acts as a focal point it distill the mind it do still the mind but I don’t find myself drawn to it frequently do you think that perhaps productivity is maybe more attractive to you than Enlightenment and like or even the concept of whatever Enlightenment means like what are you trying to achieve when you’re meditating all the time would
(10:53) would you VI it seems like almost like there’s a franticness to your creativity that comes out of this this burning furnace and for in order for you to like calm that thing down you got throw might have to throw too much water on it it’s like a NeverEnding explosion like what is it like like try to explain it to a dumb person like me what’s going on never never ending explosion it’s just constant ideas just bouncing around yes damn yeah so when everybody leaves it’s just Elon sitting at home brushing his teeth just bunch of ideas bouncing
(11:28) around your head yeah all the time Joe asks Elon when he first realized that other people’s minds weren’t raging with ideas like his and he’s surprised when Elon reveals he figured this out at just 6 years old Elon also shares that as a kid he was afraid scientists might come and take him away because of how different he was when did you realize that that’s not the case with most people I think when I was I don’t know five or six or something I thought I was insane why do you think you were insane because it was clear
(11:56) that other people did not their mind wasn’t exploding with ideas all they weren’t expressing it they weren’t talking about it all the and you realize by the time you were five or six like oh they’re probably not even getting this thing that I’m getting no it was just strange I was like hm I’m strange that was my conclusion I strange but did you feel diminished by it in any way like knowing that this is a weird thing that you really probably couldn’t commiserate with with other people they they wouldn’t understand you I hope they
(12:27) wouldn’t find out cuz they might like put me away with something you thought that for a second yes when you were little yeah I know they put people away what if they put me away like when you were little you thought this yes wow like you thought this is so radically different than the people that are around me if they find out I got this stream coming in yeah wow as the conversation continues Joe questions Elon if he considers himself a biological outlier he wonders if Elon might be one of those rare individuals
(12:54) born with a unique special ability do you think this is like I mean there’s there’s out Liars biologically you mean there’s people that are 7′ n there’s people that have giant hands there’s people that have eyes that are 2015 Vision there’s always outliers do you feel like you like caught this like you have got some you’re like on some weird Innovation creativity sort of wave that’s very unusual like you you tapped into I mean just think of the the the various things you’ve been able to accomplish in a very short amount of time and you’re
(13:27) constantly doing this that’s a weird weird you’re a weird person right I agree yeah like what if there’s a million Elon musks well that would be very very weirdo woo yeah that’d be pretty weird I agree real weird definitely yeah what if there were a million show rokets oh there probably is there probably too many to conclude this segment Joe asks Elon how long until the sun and solar system no longer exist Elon explains that in about 500 million years the sun will boil Earth’s oceans making the planet inhabitable he envisions two
(14:03) possible Futures one where Humanity remains confined to Earth and Fades away and another where we become a multiplanetary species what how long do they feel like this sun and the solar system is going to exist how many hundreds of millions of years well probably if you’re saying the when does the sun boil the oceans about 500 million years so is is it sad that we never leave because in 500 million years that happens is that what you’re saying no I just think like there if there are two Futures and one future is we’re out
(14:34) there among the stars and the things we read about and see in science fiction movies the good ones are true we have these starships and we’re we we’re going to see what other planets are like and we’re a multi-planet species and the scope and scale of Consciousness has expanded across many civilizations and many planets and many Star systems this is a great future this is a wonderful thing to me and that’s what we should strive for up next Elon Musk and Joe discuss the dangers of AI Elon expresses his fear that Humanity might weaponize
(15:08) Ai and use it to attack one another he explains that AI is fundamentally a tool it’s neither good nor evil its impact depends entirely on the intentions of the people controlling it in the wrong hands it will be a dangerous weapon even more destructive than a nuclear weapon this is a conversation from episode number 1,169 are you honestly legitimately concerned about this are you is like AI one of your main worries in regards to the Future yes it it’s less of a worry than it used to be uh mostly due to taking
(15:43) more of a fatalistic Attitude h so you used to have more hope Joe ask Elon how close we are to AI developing the ability to independently decide what’s right or wrong while Elon doesn’t give a specific date he explains that it’s a gradual process AI learned directly from us our choices preferences and interactions act as its training data every question we ask every like and every click feeds the AI more information in essence we’re constantly teaching it shaping its decisions without even realizing it how far do you
(16:16) think we are from something that can make its own mind up whether or not something’s ethically or morally correct or whether or not it wants to do something or whether or not it wants to improve itself or whether or not it wants to protect itself from people or from other AI how far away we from something that’s really truly sentient well I mean you could argue that any group of people like like a a company is essentially a a cybernetic Collective of people and machines that’s what a company is and then there are different
(16:48) there’s different levels of complexity in the way these companies are formed and then there are sort of there there sort of like a collective AI in in the Google sort of search Google search you know the where we’re all sort of plugged in as like like nodes on the network like leaves on a big tree all and we’re all we’re all feeding this network without questions and answers we’re all collectively programming the AI and the the and Google Plus the all the humans that connect to it are one giant cytic Collective this is also true of Facebook
(17:19) and Twitter and Instagram and all these social networks the giant cytic collectives humans and electronics all interfacing and constantly now constantly connected yeah constantly Elon shared similar skepticism about AI during another appearance on Joe’s podcast in episode 254 he warned about the dangers of AI falling into the hands of powerful individuals who support the idea of depopulating the Earth according to Elon this could lead to catastrophic consequences so it’s important we ensure AI is developed and controlled
(17:51) responsibly how could ai go wrong well if if if AI gets programmed by the extinctionist it will well its utility function will be the extinction of humanity yeah clearly yeah yeah I mean particularly if they won’t even think it’s bad like that guy right yeah if you let a there’s a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar to Eugenics I mean they would there would be some radical changes in what people are allowed to and not allowed to do that allow them for context Eugenics is a controversial belief system that
(18:23) advocates for improving the genetic quality of the human population it often involves attempts to control reproduction by encouraging certain groups of people deemed desirable to have more children while discouraging or even forcibly preventing others considered undesirable from reproducing the concern here is that AI if in the hands of people with this type of beliefs could impose similar control over our lives imagine you want to have children but AI steps in and says no you’re not allowed to and all of this
(18:51) would be legal under the guise of preserving Humanity that’s what the future could look like if we’re not careful as the conversation progressed jod discussed how AI could revolutionize energy generation and infrastructure however Elon points out that the United States already has the resources to power the entire country using solar energy alone I mean maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how they get power and resources but there’s no shortage of power um like we talked about solar
(19:18) power for cars the the issue is that cars just have a very low surface area um but you you could actually power the entire United States with uh 100 miles by 100 miles of solar really yes so you can just pick some dead spot that you fly over still plenty cover that sucker up with solar panels and charge the whole country absolutely 24/7 you need batteries but yes yeah wow yeah it’s not hard I mean meaning it’s like it’s very feasible in fact uh I mean the the the sun is converting over 4 million tons of Mass to energy every second and it’s no
(19:51) maintenance that thing just works to end this segment Elon shares his final and most serious concern about AI he believes it’s far more dangerous than a nuclear bomb while nuclear weapons are devastating they’re controlled by humans with layers of checks and balances AI on the other hand could operate independently and if it ever becomes antihuman like Elon predicts it could the consequences will be catastrophic I mean I’m I’m just generally concerned about AI safety but I it’s like what should we do about it um I don’t know um
(20:22) have some some some kind of regulatory oversight of some kind it’s like you can’t just go build a nuclear bomb in your backyard you know that that’s against the law and you’ll get thrown in prison if you do that how much of a concern I think maybe more dangerous than a nuclear bomb really yes how much of a concern is it if another country develops it before us um I don’t I don’t know if if that the we just be concerned about AI being um anti-human that’s the sort of the thing um that matters so potentially um I’m saying it’s it’s it’s
(20:54) like a genie letting a genie out of a bottle you know it’s sort of like a magic Genie that can make wishes come true except um usually when they tell those stories that doesn’t end well for the person who let the Gen out the right up next Joe Rogan and Elon Musk discuss whether billionaires are destroying the world and Elon cites George soros’s past actions as an example mus claims Soros hates Humanity he points to his controversial actions like profiting from destabilizing the British pound and funding polarizing political movements
(21:24) this is a conversation from episode number 2054 but sorus actually you know he he is I believe the top contributor to the Democratic party um the second one was uh Sam backed so and and sorus I don’t know I mean he had a very difficult upbringing um and uh I in my opinion he fundamentally hates Humanity that’s my opinion really yeah I mean well he’s doing things that ero the fabric of civilization you know uh getting da elected who refuse to prosecute crime that’s probably the problem in Frisco and la and Bun of other cities so why
(22:01) would you do that was it Humanity or is it just the United States as a whole I mean pushing things in other countries too same yeah Elon explains how Soros has essentially found a loophole in the system instead of focusing on influencing legislation directly Soros funds candidates who once elected simply don’t enforce the laws already in place it’s a strategic move bypassing the need to sway Congress or Lobby for mandates by putting people in power who align with his vision and won’t enforce opposing laws he reshapes the system
(22:30) from within terrible yes effective absolutely but I mean he he and he’s he’s he’s very smart um and he’s very good at Arbitrage you know famously he uh shorted the British pound that’s sort of how I think he made his first money with shorting the pound um so he’s good at spotting uh basically Arbitrage like spotting value for money that other people don’t see so uh one of the things he noticed was that in it that that the value for money in local races is much higher than it is in National races so the lowest value for money is a
(23:06) presidential race then next lowest value for money is a senate race then a Congress and then but once you get to sort of city and state district attorneys um their value of money is extremely good and Soros realized that you don’t actually need to change the laws you just need to change how they’re enforced if nobody chooses to enforce the law or the laws are differentially enforced it’s life changing the laws that’s what he that’s what he figured out Joe is stunned he asks why no one has called this out yet and Elon breaks
(23:35) it down most people are too scared of the media and the narratives it could spin about them but Elon sees himself differently he describes himself as a Maverick someone who doesn’t play by the rules he isn’t scared of the media backlash which is why he’s willing to say what others won’t but is what’s that this trend that people haven’t pulled the brakes on this and have it reverse course they’re pulling the brakes yeah yeah pulling the brakes right now yeah you are but you might be the only one well I think more people should um most
(24:05) people just don’t want to rock the boat most people are looking for acceptance from society and they they’re you know if there’s some negative press article they’re like shattered well I couldn’t give a down go ahead make my day well it’s fascinating where if you’re a high-profile public figure like yourself no there’s no there’s it’s impossible to make everybody happy so there’s going to be someone who says something shitty about you yeah somehow or another when it’s in print does that mean more because other people are going
(24:35) to see this shitty thing well I guess that’s where it gets odd because essentially an article in the New York Times is just a single person’s opinion and who whatever editor gets involved up next so Joe Rogan and Elon delve into new details about neuralink elon’s brain implant technology they explore how it works the wide range of conditions it could potentially cure and what the future might look like with neuralink in our lives this is aver ation from episode number 1,470 fundamentally let’s talk about what you can talk about to what
(25:05) neuralink is cuz the last time you were here really couldn’t discuss it and then there was a I guess a press release or something that sort of outlined yeah that that that happened quite a bit after the last time you were here so what exactly is it how do you do what what happens if someone ultimately does get a neural link installed what will take place well for version one of the device it would be um basically implanted in your skull so uh but it would be flush with your skull so you basically uh take out a chunk of skull
(25:41) replace put the neuronic device in there um you You’ put the the electrode you’d insert the electrode threads very carefully into the the brain um and uh and then you you know Stitch it up and um and you wouldn’t even know that somebody has it um and then and so then it it can interface basically anywhere anywhere in your brain um so it could be something that uh you know helps cure say uh eyesight like give you returns your eyesight even if you’ve like lost your optic nerve type of thing uh really yeah yeah absolutely Elon shares an
(26:18) extensive list of conditions neuralink could potentially cure leaving Joe amazed from restoring Limbs and repairing muscle groups to improving eyes sights the devic’s capabilities sound absolutely remarkable I mean pretty much anything that we that it could in principle fix almost anything that is wrong with the brain um and could it could um restore uh lim functionality so if you’ve got to interface into the motor cortex and then an implant that’s say uh that’s like a microcontroller uh and near your muscle
(26:51) groups uh you you could then create a sort of a neural shunt that restores somebody who’s a quadriplegic to functionality like they can walk around be normal so has neuralink been successful instead of just hearing elon’s explanation alone here’s a short clip of Nan Arbor the first person to receive a neuralink brain implant after being paralyzed explaining how it works Nolan shared his experience on episode 2,167 of The Joe Rogan Experience and here’s what he had to say Yeah so basically um excuse me um my implant has
(27:30) uh like a Bluetooth connection to the computer and then through that nurlink has created an app that they have uh uploaded to the computer and through that app I can interface with the um with the computer what it does is all of the electrodes on the threads um are sending uh neuron spikes neuron signals and through my so it’s all implanted in my motor cortex through my intentions so say if I want to try to you know move my hand left right up down I can’t really move it I have like a little bit of movement in my hand but I can’t really
(28:07) move it but the neurons are still firing that intention is still there so like those signals are being sent there’s just a cut off in my spinal cord so obviously it’s not getting down um but it’s still it’s still going on in my brain and those electrodes are picking up those signals and there’s an algorithm um like machine learning going on in the background that is um you know taking those intentions and over time it is learning what I’m trying to do and that translates to cursor control so moving back to Elon as the
(28:40) conversation continues the two discuss the process of how the neuralink chip is installed and Elon shares some fascinating details about the structure of the human skull the hole would be small how big would the hole be that you have to drill and then replace with this piece it’s only one hole well um yeah theice working on right now is about about an inch in diameter um and your skull’s pretty thick by the way so your skulls are mine is for sure it might actually literally be um I mean if you’re a big if you’re a big guy your
(29:11) skull is actually fairly thick um skulls like it’s like 7 to 14 millim um so that’s probably a couple inches a half inch you know half inch thick skull is uh so um yeah yeah so that that’s a fair better like our our we got quite a coconut going on there it’s not it’s not like some eggshell oh yeah I believe you um so the yeah you basically implant of iice uh and so it would be like a 1 in square or one inch in diameter yeah like a so an inch circle like a circular yeah I think like a like a smartwatch or something like
(29:47) that or okay yeah to conclude this segment Elon explores the future possibilities of neuralink he shares some mind-blowing ideas that sound straight out of Science Fiction he envisions a world where you could record your entire life in your brain replay at any moment at will or even alter how you remember your past it’s a concept that seems unbelievable but with the rapid pace of technological advancement it might not be as farfetched as it sounds but the idea of saving yourself and then transforming that into some sort of a
(30:18) biological State like you could hang out with 30-year-old you I mean the possibilities are endless um that’s so weird I mean you think think like how your phone can you can record videos on your phone like there’s no no way you could remember a video right as accurately as your phone or a camera you know could so uh now if you’ve got like a you know some some you know version 10 NE link whatever far in the future you you could you could you could recall everything just like it’s a movie it including all the entire
(30:53) sensory experience emotions everything everything everything and back you think you be edit it edit it yeah so you can change your past you could change what you think was your past yeah well so if you had like a traumatic up next Joe is Amazed by how Elon manages his time from running Tesla and SpaceX to Leading New link and now working on digging tunnels across the country elon’s schedule seem super human Joe is left completely in awe of his time management skills this is a conversation from episode number
(31:24) 1,169 but but my my question is like I know how much time you must be spending on your Tesla Factory I know how much time you must be spending on SpaceX and yet you still have time to dig holes under the ground in LA and come up with these ideas and then Implement them like I got a million ideas I’m sure you do there’s no shortage of that yeah I just don’t know how you manage your time I don’t understand it it doesn’t seem it doesn’t even seem humanly possible you know I I do basically I think people like don’t totally understand what I do
(31:54) with my time they think like I’m a business guy or something like that um I think my Wikipedia page says business magnate what would you call yourself I business magnet can someone please change my Wikipedia page to magnet they’ll change it right now probably already changed it’s locked so somebody has to be able to unlock it and change it to magnet I want to be a magnet um no I I I do engineering and you know and Manufacturing and that kind of thing that’s like 80% more of my time ideas and then the implementation of those
(32:26) ideas that like hardcore engering like yeah designing things you know right structural mechanical electrical software uh user interface engineering aerospace engineering Joe speculates that the only explanation for elon’s ability to do so much might be that he’s an alien Elon jokingly agrees with the idea playing along with the theory but you must understand there’s not a whole lot of human beings like you you know that right to your an OD seems yes to chimps like me we’re all chimps yeah we are we’re one notch one notch above a
(32:56) chimp some of us a little bit more confused when I watch you doing all these things I’m like how does this have all this time and all this energy and all these ideas and then people just let them do these things because I’m an alien that’s what I’ve speculated yes I’m on record saying this in the past I wonder it’s true if there was one I was like if there was like maybe an intelligent being that we created you know like some AI creature that’s uh Superior to people maybe just hang around with us for a little while
(33:26) like you’ve been doing and then fix a bunch of maybe that’s the way speaking of the dangers of Technology up next Joe questions Elon on how the rise of AI and advanced technology will impact people’s lives he raises concerns about potential issues like loss of income and even loss of purpose as machines take over jobs Joe asks Elon what steps should be taken to address these challenges before they become a reality Elon however is optimistic he assures Joe that while these concerns are valid the widespread effects of AI
(33:55) on society are still far in the future and an immediate threat this is a conversation from episode number 2,223 now we’re talking about something which is still pretty far in the future you know like um how far do you think it is well I mean it’s it’s probably I don’t know 15 20 years Ty a thing um so we’ve got like immediate issues we’ve got short-term issues that are I know 1 to three years medium-term issues like 5 to 10 years longer term issues which are like maybe 20 years um longer term I think there is this question if if you
(34:29) have ai and Robotics how do you find meaning in life if the computer can do everything better than you can and the robot can do everything better than you can but we’re we’re still we got a long way to go before that and we’re you know um and I do think it’s like 80% likely to be a good outcome like maybe 90 um so I think everyone’s going to have their own like personal robot like and and I think at a certain point like would you want to have your own personal C3PO R2-D2 so it’s going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone
(34:58) yeah everyone will have their own robot body like literally Elon makes a shocking prediction in 20 years there could be more robots than humans Joe Compares this to how there are more guns in America than there are people crazy right Elon suggests that just like guns robots will become a dominant presence in our society and it’s not a question of if it’s a matter of time man the future’s going to be wild it’s going to be wild yeah it’s going to be really unpredictable like uh I don’t think I mean you have a pretty good sense of it
(35:29) but I think most people don’t understand the wave that’s coming and I it’s kind of kind of completely drown society and change it forever yeah I mean it’s we we have like I said it’s it’s not like it’s not going to happen like overnight but it’s 20 years from now I’m like I think it’s say like 20 years from now I think there’s going to be more more humanoid robots than there are humans really yes more humanized what that’s so crazy like so that’s like more guns we have more guns than people in America we’ll have
(35:58) more robotss than people in America as well yes you have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore I guess Joe asks Elon about the chances of humanity destroying itself within the next 100 years Elon however shifts the focus he explains that it’s unlikely civilization will completely destroy itself he believes the real concern should be whether our technology will keep advancing or if it will start to regress in the years ahead I mean what are we what are we going to be looking at 100 years from now I mean when you around
(36:27) 100 years from now I hope civilization’s around yeah that’ll be a win yeah yeah what what are the chances that we this whole thing up 50% it’s hard to say I mean um I guess not like I don’t think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there’s like some really massive Global ther nuclear war um but uh I mean Stephen Hawking he would say that there’s like a one at least 1% chance of total Annihilation every Century that was his rough estimate um but there’s a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today so you say
(37:01) like well cuz you look at say you know these very civilizations throughout history um whether it’s the like ancient samarians or the you know Egyptians the Romans like they they there’s like a life cycle to civilization they reached a peak and then they started subsiding so so I think a bigger question is like well will will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years I think it’s probably going to be better I I think but any estimates are are going to be so there’s so many dependencies like like an estimate I
(37:34) think is I’m I’m not sure it has any any meaning um cuz it’s like there’s so many things that can happen in 100 years up next Elon shares his vision for a plane that can launch vertically from the ground without needing a Runway the concept is facet leaving Joe eager to learn more about how it would work this is a conversation from episode number 1,169 now have you ever looked at planes and gone I could fix this I just don’t have the time buy making I have a design for a plane you do yes a better design I mean probably I think it is yes who have
(38:07) you talked to about this and I’ve talked to friends friends friends and I’m your friend girlfriends and you can tell me what do you got what’s going on well I mean the exciting thing to do would be some sort of electric vertical takeoff and Landing supersonic jet of some kind vertical takeoff and Landing mean no for a Runway just shoot up straight in the air and then how would you do that Joe asks Elon how he plans to pull off such a bold idea after all elon’s concept is a plane that launches vertically like a
(38:38) rocket something straight out of movies Elon explains that the key lies in combining Advanced propulsion systems with lightweight materials and energy efficient designs like the way to think about a plane is it’s a force balance so there a force balance so a plane that that is not accelerating um is is a neutral force balance you have the force of gravity you have the lift force of the Wings then you’ve got the force of the whatever thrusting device the the propeller or turbine or whatever it is um and you’ve got the resistance force
(39:13) of the air now the higher you go the lower the air resistance is air density drops exponentially but drag increases with the square and exponential beats a square the higher you go the faster you will go for the same amount of energy and at a certain altitude you will you can go supersonic with less energy per mile quite a lot less energy per mile than an aircraft at 35,000 ft because it’s just a force balance I’m too stupid for this conversation Joe asks Elon if he has plans to start working on it but Elon reveals that it’s not a priority for him
(39:48) he explains that focusing on electric cars is far more important particularly as the world needs to shift towards sustainable energy in the coming years now when you think about this new idea of of of Designing when when you have this idea about improving planes mhm are you going to bring this to somebody or you just Chuck this I have a lot on my plate right that’s what I’m saying I don’t know I don’t know how you do what you do now but if you keep coming up with these but it’s got to be hard to pawn these off on someone else
(40:18) either he hey go do a job good job with this vertical takeoff and Landing system that I want to implement to regular planes the airplane electric airplane isn’t necessary right now electric cars are important solar energy is important stationary storage of energy is important these things are much more important than creating electric supersonic Vall also U the planes naturally you really want that gravitational energy density for an aircraft um and this is improving over time so you know it’s important that we
(40:50) accelerate the transition to sustainable energy that’s why electric cars it matters whether electric cars happen sooner or later up next Al shares his surprising reasons for deciding to buy Twitter he tells Joe that his main concern was the growing influence of extremists controlling social media platforms and much of the mainstream media feeling the responsibility to take action Elon stepped up bought Twitter and set out to challenge those narratives directly this is a conversation from episode number 2054 what was it ultimately that led you
(41:19) to make the decision to do it I mean this is going to sound uh somewhat melodramatic but I was worried about that that it was having a corrosive effect on civilization uh that it was uh just having a bad a bad impact um and um I think part of it is that it’s where it’s where it was located which is uh you know downtown San Francisco um and while I I think San Francisco is a beautiful city and and which should really fight hard to um kind of write the ship of San Francisco if you’ve walked around downtown San Francisco
(41:52) right near the X FKA Twitter headquarters it’s a zombie apocalypse I mean it’s rough have you have you been been in that area not lately no I’ve heard it’s crazy I’ve heard it’s crazy I’ve heard you you really can’t believe it until you actually go there you can’t believe it until you go there Elon continues his point he shares his observation about how San Francisco the home base of Twitter had changed over the years he also describes how Twitter before his involvement was being used to spread what he calls a mind virus a
(42:19) dangerous influence designed to manipulate and shape public perception now you have to say well what philosophy led to that outcome and philosophy was being piped to Earth so um you know a philosophy that would be ordinarily quite Niche and geographically constrained so the that sort of the fallout area would be limited um was effectively given an information weapon um a tech Information Technology weapon to propagate uh what is essentially a m virus to the rest of Earth um and the outcome of that mine virus is very clear
(42:52) if you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco it is the end of civilization and it’s not just uh propagating the Mind virus but suppressing any opposing viewpoints yes well in order for the virus to propagate it must suppress opposing view points so because it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny correct Elon explains that many of the ideals being promoted align with the extinctionist beliefs he even cites an example from mainstream media where someone openly advocated for the depopulation of Earth I mean I don’t
(43:21) want to be melodramatic but it’s almost like a death cult it’s a death cult no no that is exactly right um it it’s essentially the uh extinctionist like it’s in the limit it is that they’re propagating uh the extinction of humanity and civilization um and and there’s some people who are are like most most of the time it’s it’s implicit they don’t exp but sometimes it’s explicit like there was a guy on the front page of the New York Times uh who literally has the thing called the extinctionist movement um and he was
(43:52) quoted on the front page of New York Times as saying uh there are 8 billion people on the world but it would be better if there were none and I’m like well buddy you can start with yourself yeah up next Elon discusses his creative and humorous marketing stunt when he sold flamethrowers labeled not a flamethrower through his company the boring company Joe is amazed when he learns that Elon sold 20,000 flamethrowers in Just 4 days this is a conversation from episode number 1,169 does anybody tell you no does anybody go Elon
(44:21) um maybe for yourself but selling a flamethrower the liabilities all the people you’re selling this device to what kind of unhinged people are going to be buying a flamethrower in the first place do we really want to connect ourselves tell all these potential arsonists yeah it’s a terrible idea terrible shouldn’t buy one I don’t I said don’t buy this flamethrower don’t buy it don’t buy it that’s what I said but still people bought it there’s nothing I could do to stop them if you build it I I said don’t buy it it’s a
(44:53) bad idea how many did you make you it’s dangerous it’s it’s got It’s Wrong don’t buy it and still people bought it I just couldn’t stop them how many did you make 20,000 and they’re all gone in three I think 4 days they sold out in 4 days Joe asks Elon if he plans to relaunch and sell more flamethrowers but Elon answers no he also explains how the flamethrowers weren’t actual flamethrowers and yet people rushed to buy it are you going to do a a another run no no that’s it yes oh I said we do 20 we did 50,000 50,000 hats um at and
(45:31) and um that was a million dollar and like okay well we’ll sell something and for 10 million and that was 20,000 flamethrowers at $500 each they went fast yeah how do you have the time how do you have the time to do that though I mean I understand that it’s not a big deal in terms of all the other things you do but how do you have time to do anything I just I don’t understand your time management skills I I mean I didn’t spend much time on on this flamethrower I mean to be totally Frank it’s actually just a roofing torch
(46:00) with an air rifle cover it’s not a real flamethrower which is why it says not a flamethrower that’s why we were very clear this is not actually a flamethrower next up Elon and Joe dive into a heavy topic the Dark Side of social media and its impact on Humanity they discuss how platforms designed to connect us often leaves people feeling isolated and depressed instead this is a conversation from episode number 1,169 one of the issues with social media spino pointed out by many people is that um I think maybe particularly
(46:31) Instagram um people look like they have a much better life than they really do right so by Design yeah people are posting pictures of when they’re really happy they’re modifying those pictures to be better looking um even if they’re not modifying the pictures they’re at least selecting the pictures for the best lighting the best angle um so people basically seem a they’re way better looking than they basically really are right um and they’re way happier seeming than they really are so if you look at everyone on Instagram you
(47:05) might think man they’re all these happy beautiful people and I’m not that goodlooking and I’m not happy so I’m must suck you know and that’s going to make people sad so when in fact those people you think are super happy actually not that happy some of them are really depressed they’re very sad some of the happiest seeming people actually some of the saddest people in reality and and and nobody looks good all the time doesn’t matter who you are no Joe questions where this will all lead he wonders if humanity is heading towards a
(47:36) point where people no longer value the real world and instead choose to live entirely in Virtual Worlds crafted through social media he imagines a future where the lines between reality and the virtual blur as people prioritize the dopamine Rush from likes and filters over authentic connections my my concern is not so much what Instagram is is that I didn’t think think that people had the need for this or the expectation for some sort of technology that allows them to constantly get love and agulation from strangers and comments and and this
(48:06) ability to project this sort of distorted version of who you really are but I worry about where it goes like what’s the next one what’s the next one like where is it is it going to be augmented is some sort of a weird augmented or virtual sort of Instagram type situation where you’re not going to want to live in this real world you’re going to want to interface with this of world that you’ve created through your social media page some Next Level thing yeah go live in the simulation yeah I mean Sim some Ready Player one
(48:37) type that’s real in a hilarious change of pace up next Elon shares the story of when he launched his car into space this is a conversation from episode number 1,69 normally when you know aerospace companies do like a a rocket test plate they put something boring on like a concrete block uh cuz I don’t want to risk an expensive satellite and so I was like well we got to do something that’s not very inspiring you know it’s concrete block is one of the least expire inspiring things you could do so I was talk to a friend of mine and he
(49:06) said hey uh well what about putting a a Tesla on that you know I was like hey that sounds like a good idea I’m then I go into my garage I’ll put that one in there so I put my car on the rocket and then we we want to see how far the rocket could go so I was like just you know floor it let’s go maximum Delta V so I thought it would probably blow up and I had this image of like man I was like you know this thing could go could blow up on the pad and then there’s like a tire bouncing down the road and then the Tesla logo just lands bam right in
(49:31) front of the camera it’s like one of the things if like this is a movie you know that’s kind of one of the possible outcomes and unfortunately it didn’t blow up and now my car is uh orbiting Mars wow take a look at this picture of elon’s car floating in space pretty wild right Joe goes on to ask the question you’re thinking of right now how exactly did they capture those images I’ve seen the images of it with the that looks fake it looks F that’s how you know it’s real is that how you know it’s real yeah how do the
(50:03) images get to us it’s the images are too lame to be to be to be fake uh or I mean they look good but you for example the the dynamic range of the camera is not enough to pick up the stars and the the vehicle you know cuz like mhm things are very bright in space there’s no uh like we don’t quite realize it but in the at like the the atmosphere is making everything a little fuzzy mhm and in space things are super crisp and super like really reflective it is yeah exactly so so how is that getting to us with a the image yeah with a radio wow
(50:43) still skeptical Joe asks where the camera that took the photo was placed and elon’s answer is both surprising and absolutely hilarious but and where’s the where’s the camera that’s taking this photo oh man our Director of Photography is awesome but I mean when this thing gets sent to us what is taking an image of this there’s a camera on a stick really yeah and it didn’t break off no I mean thought it might but there’s a camera I mean it’s it’s kind of a like a fairly wide angle and like so the camera is actually not that far from the the
(51:19) car um what is that one up there that shows the whole car is that fake that’s fake Is that real that’s real wow up next while discussing the capabilities of the Cyber truck Joe Rogan asks if he can shoot an arrow into the truck and surprisingly Elon agrees this is a conversation from episode number 254 there are there are three demonstrations one of them people are aware of which is uh you know emptying a Tommy gun into the side of the car um a shot gun 45 and a 9 mil and no penetrations wow and that’s that come it
(51:51) comes that way from the factory can I try it with an arrow yeah it’ll be fine you think so I mean I bet I can get in a crossbow might I have a 90 lb compound bow that shoots 520 grain arrows at 300 ft per second with a I think an arrow razor sharp Broadhead we going try it right now if you want the two PS the show to step outside and put the theory to test you know what I [Music] mean bar look this blew the BW the arrow apart after the demonstration they return to the show Joe is completely blown away by what just happened while
(52:41) Elon can’t stop laughing like a proud father admiring his indestructible creation hey cutie thank you well now we know so uh we uh just shot an arrow into it and it barely scratched it barely scratched it yeah it was probably moving 275 ft a second that was a 525 grain is arrow with uh yeah even more than that cuz it had the 125 grain head so that was 545 grains that’s impressive yeah very impressive it just destroyed the Broadhead Broadhead flattened at the tip and then the arrow blew apart yeah amazing yeah it’s uh like I said you
(53:22) could um we have a cool video we’ll show at the hand event next month which is emptying an entire magazine of at Tommy Gun which think is like on the order of 50 rounds of uh just you’re just going full Al Capone you know like on the side of the car shotgun 9 M 45 and you built it like this just for fun I mean uh cuz it’s cooler I mean cuz you can you know uh trucks are supposed to be tough right yeah so is your truck bulletproof no mine eyes mine is definitely not exactly up next Joe is completely blown away to learn that Elon
(53:55) Musk the guy planning to take Humanity to Mars doesn’t believe in aliens for anyone familiar with Joe Rogan’s show you know he’s obsessed with three things Bears Combat Sports and Aliens so hearing Elon the founder of SpaceX dismissed the idea of extraterrestrial life that’s a Twist Joe didn’t see coming this is a conversation from episode number 1,69 there’ll be the the you say the great filter what did you mean by that um well so there’s something called like the FY Paradox of like where are the aliens yeah so you where are the aliens
(54:29) um and um I think it was call San that said like uh they either are a lot of aliens or none and the either they’re equally terrifying um if there are a lot of aliens well I mean The Invasion ship SL uh you know bug infestation just you know like Starship Trooper style well yeah I mean it’s like it’s an alien civilization might just view us as like a bug infestation you know it’s like hey we left that planet was fine now it’s got a bunch of bugs just go fumigate it you know um like we’ fumigate a house um that’s certainly possible and then uh
(55:08) but if there are no aliens well could it be that all civilizations are just destroyed before they become inter inter U Stellar you know so and and I want to be clear like to the best of my knowledge I there is no evidence for alien life on Earth Joe tries to change elon’s mind about the existence of aliens by bringing up David fraver a fighter pilot who claimed to have encountered an alien spacecraft but to Joe’s surprise Elon shows little interest and remains unconvinced are you familiar with uh Commander David fraver
(55:38) account of uh the Tic Tac UFO that he encountered off of the coast of San Diego Lex you know Lex Lex Freedman yeah Lex Freedman interviewed him on his podcast and I interviewed him as well and if you ever get a chance to listen to Lex’s conversation with him it’s really excellent but this guy is a naval fighter pilot and he talked about this thing that they tracked on radar that went from more than 60,000 ft above sea level to one foot in less than a second shaped like a Tic Tac no visible sign of propulsion uh blocked radar uh actively
(56:13) jammed their tracking systems and then went to their predetermined point that they were supposed to uh that the the fighter jet was supposed to scramble to went to it uh 30 miles away and you know a couple seconds like they have no idea how it did it they don’t know what it is and these guys that were uh working for the Navy off the coast said they had encountered them several times they didn’t know what they were they didn’t know what to do they photo or something they do they have video of it uh okay they have video of it they have um
(56:45) there’s you you ever see the New York Times article that came out in 2017 about this stuff I don’t know Joe asks Elon if aliens would let us know they were here if they actually existed Elon responds with a humorous remark brushing off the idea of their existence then he drops the real bombshell he reveals that he doesn’t think about aliens at all for someone leading Humanity’s charge to Mars This Revelation leaves Joe and probably everyone listening completely stunned do you think that they would want us to know or do you think they
(57:15) would just be observing and making sure we don’t blow ourselves up would would real civilization they sure are subtle I mean if they wanted us to know obviously they they could just you know show up and walk down Main Street you know like hey I’m an alien check me out you know he has my spaceship I just land in the middle of Time Square be like right okay or hover over downtown LA yeah yeah we be like okay we believe you so whatever there there are very subtle very subtle his aliens how often do you think about it n
(57:48) zero zero even though you’re thinking about interplanetary travel you don’t really think about aliens no I mean if they show up I’m like great okay now this is new information but we you know what an interesting way of putting it this is new information this is new information like where were you guys up till now to back his point Elon demands solid evidence that could convince him of their existence he explains that at the very least there should be an artifact from the past something Humanity couldn’t possibly have created
(58:14) with the technology available at the time without such proof he remains unconvinced I mean we have archaeologist going all over the world looking at things you know there this people like if if we were to find something thing like let’s say like a cube of titanium just like a 1in cube of titanium see in the middle of the pyramid I like aliens for sure there’s no way they could have made a titanium back there no there’s no way that’s hard that’s all one do even need a computer like a computer would be like hey wow computers they didn’t have
(58:44) computers back then so it must be aliens but even just like some Advanced Metallurgy anything like we say anything like that right nothing like that that we could point to that we can’t do everything that we found archaeologically is consistent with the time uh the technology they had at that time archaeologically yeah yeah so you just talking about old stuff yeah yeah just throughout history it’s not like yeah a calian visit there’ be something buried somewhere think um we haven’t seen anything so anyway I mean maybe
(59:17) they were aliens but they’re very subtle if they are they’re just very uh they’re being pretty shy up next Joe and Elon shift gears to a topic Joe is well researched chimpanzees they discuss the wild battles that take place between chimps and their equally intense obsessions with sex it’s a mix of chaos and comedy that showcases just how strangely similar and different we are from our primate relatives this is a conversation from episode number 1,169 this is like if you went to the jungle and you watch these chimps engage
(59:47) in Warfare and beat each other with sticks they’re real mean mean the’re real mean I saw that movie Chimpanzee I thought it was going to be like some Disney thing I was like holy cow what movie was that literally called chimpanzee who is it a documentary yeah yeah it’s kind of like a documentary I was like damn these chimps are mean they’re mean yeah they’re cruel yeah they’re they’re calculated yeah yeah they sneak up on each other and like I didn’t realize chimps did calculated cruelty mhm yeah it’s pretty ah I left
(1:00:16) that meaning kind of thinking who this is dark Joe makes a wild comparison suggesting that aliens might see us the same way we view chimpanzees senseless creatures running on pure chaos he points out how absurd our world must look from an outsider’s perspective the way we handle politics our constant Wars and our obsession with trivial things to aliens Humanity might seem like a species stuck in a never-ending maniacal Loop too primitive to notice the bigger picture it’s a hilarious yet thought-provoking take but we in a way
(1:00:45) to the AI might be like those chimps we like these stupid launching missiles out of drones and shooting each other underwater like we’re crazy we got torpedoes submarines and airplanes that drop nuclear bombs indiscriminately on cities we’re yeah they might go why are they doing this it might like look at our politics look at what we do in terms of our our our food system what what kind of food we force down each other’s throats and they might go these people are crazy they don’t even look out for themselves I don’t know I mean how much
(1:01:19) do we think about chimps not much very little it’s like and these chimps are at War they these like little was like groups of chimps just attack each other and they kill each other they torture each other that’s pretty bad um they hunt monkeys then Elon flips the scripts he asks Joe how often he talks about chimps and did that light Joe up Joe Dives head first into his chimp Obsession and this time it’s Elon who’s completely stunned by Joe’s passionate response Joe launches into an entire story about bonobos a species of
(1:01:51) chimpanzee known for well non-stop mating the way he tells it is absolutely hilarious leaving Elon cracking up when’s the last time you talk about chimps me yeah all the time you do talking to the wrong guy podcast dude I talk about chips every other episode okay people are laughing right now yeah constantly I’m obsessed I saw that David Aton bro documentary on chimps where they were eating those cabus monkeys and ripping them apart I saw that many many years ago it just changed how I go oh this is why people
(1:02:21) are so crazy we came from that thing yeah exactly yeah the bobos yeah they got a like better philosophy yeah they’re like swingers yeah they really are they they they seem to be way more even than us way more civilized they just seem to resolve everything with sex yeah the only rules they have is the mom won’t bang the sun that’s it okay it’s it mom won’t bang her sons they’re good women yeah good women in the bonobo Community everybody else just banging and out yeah I haven’t seen the bonova movie well they’re disturbing just at a
(1:02:56) zoo you know you have bonobos at the zoo they just constantly going constantly yeah that’s all they do W stop yeah and they don’t care gay straight whatever let’s just what’s with these labels