Mark Carney has been selected by the Liberal party to be its new leader, and the next Prime Minister of Canada. But was the process as fair as they want us to believe?

Canadian Taxpayers Federation Alberta director Kris Sims joined Candice Malcolm to discuss.

Video Transcript:

(00:03) I’m pleased to be joined for most of the show today by our friend Chris Sims Chris is the Alberta director for the Canadian taxpayers Federation hi Chris thanks so much for joining us today good morning Candace thanks for having me well I want to just take a minute to plug us a new piece of work that we have done over at Juno news so if you head on over to Juno news you will see that we have done a deep dive we’ve done our own bit of investigative journalism into the new prime minister Mark Carney we have a
(00:32) clip of that documentary that I would like to play for you now how well do we know Canada’s new prime minister Mark Carney pretty well right he’s the high-profile former governor of the Bank of Canada who then Jet Set it across the pond to become the first ever Canadian born governor of the bank of England he’s a Mainstay in global power circles serving a leadership role in the world economic Forum acting as the special Envoy for climate change and finance at United Nations sitting on the board of a number of nonprofits promoting The Net Zero
(01:05) approach and the urgent need for climate change and he’s a wealthy and successful Banker until recently he was the chairman of one of Canada’s largest companies Brookfield Asset Management which escribes itself as a leading Global investment firm with over $1 trillion dollar in assets under management so very excited to be releasing that we went through many of the claims that Mark Carney has made that he has has been contradicted on and frankly Chris we did the job that the Legacy Media refuses to do which is just
(01:36) dig into it dig into the claims try to figure out what the truth is when it comes to the things that were told about Mark carne and we’ve been told so many things that have just turned out not to be true so we spent a bunch of time and effort putting that together and if you’d like to see the entire documentary please head on over to Juno news.
(01:54) com it is available at this point exclusively to our subscribers and we think it’s incredibly important that Canadians get this message so as everybody saw on Sunday night Mark Carney was selected as leader of the liberal party which means that he will succeed succeed uh Justin Trudeau and become our next prime minister we still don’t even know when he’s going to be signed in so at this point he is just the Prime Minister designate but I want to talk a little bit about that leadership vote on Sunday night Chris because there were a couple of things
(02:27) that just don’t just doesn’t really add up to me when it comes to what happened and so first I want to point let’s just do a comparison between the Liberals and the conservatives so first thing we were told that the um that the that the convention that the Liberals uh held on Sunday evening in Ottawa had fewer than 2,000 people in attendance compare that to Pier POV who did a rally in London Ontario much smaller City and this is just a rally and there were an estimated 2500 attendees this is a according to Juno news and so just even the idea that
(03:03) they are electing selecting a new leader for the liberal party and there are a few of people that just go to like your run-of-the-mill Pier POV uh rally uh that’s not even during a campaign you know you you had two former prime ministers in attendance in Ottawa and they couldn’t even pull out a crowd of more than 2,000 people and then when it comes to the number of people who voted so we had been told that there were 400,000 registered liberals that were going to be voting in this race and remember that in order to be a liberal member you
(03:38) don’t have to pay any money unlike in the conservative party you do have to pay for the Liberals you don’t even have to be a citizen of Canada which to me is just so outrageous um and you could they open membership to anybody over the age of 14 so you could have a 14-year-old who is a foreign National and not a Canadian who didn’t pay any money has nothing invested and you could go ahead and you could vote so we were told that was 400,000 and yet the party said that 151,000 people voted in the race interestingly they said that 163,000
(04:11) people successfully went through the authentication process so out of 400,000 only 163 it seems could be confirmed to be real people and of those only 151% voted so the Liberals are running around today saying that 93% of their party voted in this race but only if you take that smaller number and 163,000 people I mean that seems kind of like a lot but in the world of politics I mean that is significantly smaller than the conservative party the conservative party had 417,000 people vote in their leadership race I mean 160,000 people
(04:53) that’s fewer than the number of people who receive emails from me like on my email list and I’m sure it’s the same with the Canadian tax Federation not a very large percentage of Canadians and so we’re told sure Mark Carney got 80 85% I believe of the vote but again that’s of that smaller number um this isn’t any kind of a resounding mandate from Canadians and it raises so many questions Chris about the authenticity or the the how how secure this process is if 400,000 people were on the list and only 150,000 of them
(05:29) actually voted what happened to the others and why weren’t their votes counted what do you make of all this well it’s a great question Candace and I saw some of the voter breakdowns I’ll get to that in a second on regionalism and where they were voting from I thought that was pretty interesting but you’re right I did find it a really small number of people like for example at the taxpayers Federation when we send out a survey or something to our supporters it goes to around 250,000 people and that’s just one advocacy
(05:56) group so that’s not including Frasier Institute or any other group that’s just just the Canadian taxpayers Federation and so to have that small group of Canadians had now selected the Prime Minister prime minister designate he hasn’t been sworn in yet is really quite eye-opening I found it interesting on where these folks apparently were voting from and so apparently they were voting largely from say downtown Toronto downtown Ottawa really kind of hyper Urban places but not the more what you would call kind of the working class
(06:30) middle income uh newer Canadian areas so for example my uncle actually works in London uh as a security guard near the soup kitchen there which unfortunately by the way is getting flooded with people record numbers of people are going to the food bank in the soup kitchen there he sees it there every day lots of people struggling down the street is where that pure po of rally was being held so I found that very interesting that I was hearing numbers everywhere between 2500 and 3,000 people at the pier po rally yet in downtown
(07:01) Ottawa where they’re selecting a new prime minister of Canada kind of a big deal for that regardless of where you fall in the political Spectrum if that’s your party that seems like a pretty big deal and they were able to only pull in a smaller crowd and it was a smaller crowd even apparently according to the CBC saying this is a smaller crowd so I found it really telling that the issues of affordability and people just being broke broke mattered more if you take a look at the tea leaves and the data sets than the glitz and glamour that was
(07:34) going on in Ottawa well it’s just it’s it’s so remarkable you know you think that the liberal party they have been in power for the last nine years like you said they’re selecting their new prime minister they had Jean cran they had Justin Trudeau they had kind of like a stellar lineup if you’re a liberal and you’re excited like imagine if there was an event that had uh Steven Harper speaking that had Pierre poo speaking like had all the big players in the conservative movement I’m telling you there’d be tens
(08:03) of thousands of people in attendance for that and again I just find it really worrying and concerning that so many people who had signed up to vote in the liberal leadership race didn’t get to vote and I’ll tell you Chris like my inbox was filled with concerned liberals who had been turned away I I’ve received many of these sort of tips of people who had registered who are liberals who wanted to vote and some kind of trivial uh discrepancy meant that they were blocked like one you know an example would be like if you’re if you if you go
(08:36) by Dan but your name’s Daniel and so you know when you when you registered you wrote Dan but then the ID that you tried to produce said Daniel and they just wouldn’t let you vote and wow you know when when that happens on scale I mean we we had the Globe and Mail pointing out that only 40% of the registered liberals voted which means that 60% were rejected I mean how can you walk around and say that Mark Carney has this huge mandate even from within the Liberal Party when 60% of the people who wanted to vote Were Somehow found uh to to be
(09:12) illegitimate and not able to vote to me that is so suspicious and it’s so alarming I hope that someone is able to uncover we’re talking to we’re talking about a whistleblower later in the show who has done some undercover journalism to expose flaws in the Ontario voting system but I would really like to see what is happening with the Liberals because that is a huge percentage of people who were unable to vote and again just for context because we keep hearing that 85% of liberals voted for Mark herney and only 62% of conservatives
(09:44) voted for pier POV back in 2022 when he became leader and yet everybody said that Pierre POV had like a resounding Victory but if you just look at the numbers 132,000 people voted for Mark Carney whereas 200 95,000 voted for Pierre POV and so more Canadians twice as many Canadians in fact cast their vote in the in a leadership race for Pierre POV and you know I I I I have a hard time uh really believing that Mark Carney has any kind of a mandate I want to just stay with the Sunday night event because there was
(10:23) a couple of things that were really kind of resounding to me um one of it was a Mark Carney pledged that he would get rid of the capital gains tax and get rid of the carbon tax so I imagine you folks over at the Canadian tax fairs Federation were giving yourselves a little pat on the back because you were the ones that were re really leading the campaign against these disastrous taxes and so the fact that both parties kind of are in agreement about that is good one thing that I really noted was that when Mark Kerney announced to the
(10:51) liberal audience that he was getting rid of carbonex the place like erupted in cheers and it just seems so ironic to me that like the liberals who for the last 10 years have been pushing this green agenda saying that the cl the planet is on fire and that we have to tax ourselves and shut down our industry in order to save the planet and you know the key policy of prime minister Trudeau had been this carbon tax which was also championed and demanded for by Mark Carney in the background and here you had the entire liberal convention
(11:20) applauding like erupting in cheers over the fact that they were getting rid of it so from a taxpayers perspective what do you think of all that so many points there uh very very briefly just touching back on the issue between mandates um I will point out U that Pierre POV has been a member of parliament since he was in his early to mid 20s and he was then the opposition leader however with Mark Carney this is the first time that someone with zero Parliament Hill Experience so has not been a member of parliament has not been a senator has
(11:53) not been a cabinet minister is now going to be catapulted directly do not pass go do not P you know collect $200 all the way into the seat of the pmo so yes John Turner had taken a turn out of Parliament and then he was put back in there were a few earlier Prime Ministers that kind of fall under that but they had been Senators before or they had been cabinet ministers before or even prime ministers previously before they became prime minister again this is the first time that somebody you know off the street so to speak has is now
(12:22) becoming prime minister and I so I think that is why there’s more scrutiny from across the board it’s been mainstream media and Independent Media going this is pretty interesting so I think it’s the severity the level of power that is giving more scrutiny to this mandate whether or not he has one um to the issue of the carbon tax we were happy to hear Mark Carney say he’s going to scrap the carbon tax but he said that this is the catch he said that in a leak through his leadership team early on and that soaked up all the headlines it was like
(12:56) that ShamWow commercial with the blanket it just sucked up all the head lines Mark Carney ding-dong The Witch Is Dead they’re getting rid of the carbon tax but then the devil’s in the details then he made his announcement in Halifax and said he’s going to immediately remove the consumer carbon tax so what does that mean and then later on in Colona he Chang it again and he said he’s not going to ask the tax the crowd laughed at that idea which really got my dander up Candace um and then he said he’s going to change the carbon tax so face
(13:26) value at least the one thing carne should do right now like today is tell the cabinet ministers hey put in a request through you know order and counsel get rid of the carbon tax now and they can do that without Parliament sitting they can change the amount collected by the carbon tax in their orders to zero so that’s the very least he can do now because right now Canadians are still paying this thing and it’s set to go up April 1 to give you an idea the average not a huge mansion with an indoor swimming pool and
(13:57) three big personal cars the way used to say the average Alberta household is going to be out 440 bucks this year just for heating their home so Carney should do the right thing today Candace and make that carbon tax rate go down to zero that’s for now but you’re right he’s been in the background pushing for carbon taxes basically his entire professional life his entire political career like it’s all through this book I know that uh your folks there at Juno and True North did a lot of work on this I know Cosman did a big deep dive on
(14:30) this um it’s the Keystone to his worldview carbon taxes are a keystone to mark carne’s worldview So for him to turn away from it is like a vegan suddenly eating steak that is a big deal so we’re going to take him at his word right now and push him to get rid of the consumer carbon tax so at least it’s off of everybody’s heat bills and off the price at the pump between now and April 1st then we’re going to see what’s going to happen during the election well I I I would say it’s not quite like a vegan eating steak because he hasn’t actually
(15:02) eaten it yet it’s like a vegan ordering steak and it’s yet to be seen whether or not they’ll actually eat it because great point I mean it’s like yeah everything that he believes everything that he’s built his career upon this whole Net Zero approach that has been devastating in the UK and you now have UK officials coming out saying Canada be careful with this guy he was a disaster in the UK former prime minister Liz trust said that Financial columnist Matthew L also had a column saying the same thing um yeah he’s going to get rid
(15:30) of the consumer facing one but the devil’s in the details and I you know just the fact that the liberal audience was was cheering over that I I think it’s really just all about crass politics because Mark Carney is just a continuation of Justin Trudeau like he what we’ve seen is kind of a remarkable bait and switch Justin Trudeau greatly unpopular tanked in popularity has done so much damage to the Canadian economy to Canadian Unity to our sense of country to our safety just the list goes on and on he’s unpopular so he Taps his
(16:03) economic advisor to come out and take over and he admits so much so Mark Carney was in Parliament yesterday talking to the reporters for the first time he said that he just finished a meeting with prime minister Justin Trudeau and that the transition will be seamless and quick of course it is because they have the same views they have the same position they have the same staff right it’s literally just it’s just a switch let’s let’s play Mark Carney in his own words admitting all of this uh just had a uh long meeting with the
(16:31) Prime Minister we discussed the most important issues for our country uh obviously including Canada and US relations issues of National Security and yes the transition between the Prime Minister and myself that transition will be seamless and it will be quick he was even kind of smirking about that like of course it’ll be quick and seamless because it’s the same it’s the same thing yes what do you think yes this so parties have not changed power hasn’t really changed this is just a transition from one party leader within
(17:08) the Liberals to the other party leader I can’t help but kind of smile because I’ve worked on Parliament Hill I worked there for like probably around 20 years give or take and to see Mark Carney there standing in the foyer um I’m wondering if Dominic LeBlanc was his MP buddy that helped him through security and got the wand and everything just like somebody would if you’re taking tour of the building because again he is not a member of parliament but in this we have this interesting system in the Westminster system uh technically you
(17:38) don’t need to be a member of parliament to be a member of cabinet and the prime minister is the first cabinet minister chosen by and accepted by the crown so this is up to King Charles III and through his uh representative Mary Simon the governor general to then swear him in to cabinet and have him be the prime minister I found it really interesting that there’s this strange kind of um jackqueline Hyde approach to him being changy and new meanwhile everybody who’s followed politics knows that he’s been right in there advising these folks in
(18:14) fact folks might remember just before this dust up started when Christia Freeland The Narrative goes says she didn’t want to run a 60-some billion dollar deficit she only wanted to run a $40 billion deficit who was going to replace her Mark Carney like everybody on the hill knew that he was going to be the person to replace her as Finance Minister once outgoing Trudeau Finance uh prime minister was getting rid of her so to have it now being played as if he’s the new guy but he’s also the old guy it’s kind of mind-bending what
(18:48) really gets me is again he’s on the record so many times Candace this wasn’t just a one-off comment that somebody said at a party or a bar or something like he has written like literally a book on this stuff his he got his undergrad at Harvard he got his PhD at Oxford he takes a global view to this stuff like on the front of his book it’s literally the planet with scaffolding around it like he’s going to fix the whole of the Earth for us what got me Candice is that throughout this book he talks about carbon taxes he talks about
(19:21) things like power plants and our hot water tanks being stranded assets in the future because he wants to switch it all over to wind and solar he talks about leaving more than 80% of oil and gas in the ground and this is not something I’m digging up from him from the 80s like he just published this thing just after the lockdowns and so I’m really hoping that some of those journalists who are there standing in front of him in the Parliamentary press Gallery stick a mic in his face and get him to answer these questions it’s also you know that the
(19:55) entire thing is just so staged that it almost feels like we’re living out an Orwell novel because we were told on January 6 that Justin sh was resigning because of internal conflicts in the party and that he just couldn’t manage being prime minister with these fractures right presumably talking about Christy ailing exactly what you were saying that he was trying to kick her out she said it on in interviews that he he said come deliver the fall economic update and then I’m gonna fire you the next day and I’m gonna replace you with
(20:21) Mark Carney right and she said great people management that’s just not good people management yeah I GNA pull the plug and it’s funny that you said you know fiscal restraint in this government is I’m only willing to do $40 billion in deficits not 60 60 is too far but 40 I I’m okay with that um and and and then they turn around and they say oh look 85% of our members support Mark Carney pay no attention to the 60% that mysteriously vanished and didn’t get a chance to vote and then to your point that this is just the same government
(20:48) Mark Carney announced yesterday that he appointed Marco mencino as his chief of staff of course Marco Menino was Justin Trudeau’s immigration Minister um among many other positions that he held so same same crew same people same insiders U I want I want to go to this photo because I I mentioned this on our live stream the other night that if you would ask me at any point in the last nine years how I would be feeling and what I would be saying the night that Justin Trudeau got removed from office like his last day at Prim Minister I would have
(21:18) assumed that I would be in good spirits and optimistic and happy about the future of Canada and yet I feel the exact opposite I feel like filled with Dread and just worrying about the the future of our country um Justin Trudeau on his way out is sort of making a mockery of all Canadians as he tends to do uh this is a great photo that you you actually sent to me that was taken by a rotors photographer of Justin Trudeau carrying a chair out his his own chair out of the House of Commons I guess this is a one of the traditions of our
(21:45) parliamentary system or our Westminster democracy and I don’t know if we can zoom in on that face Sean but Justin Trudeau always the Entertainer always the jester um you know elected CL get a circus uh sticking his tongue out what what do you what do you what do you make of this is as the as the image of K caneda’s democracy in our Westminster system well it’s truly an iconic photo and kudos to Carlos ozorio who snapped that photo like you said for Reuters um just even if I remove you know my feelings about it the if you
(22:22) look at it again the the photographer uses there these tiny little Windows Up In The Upstairs Hall way looking down into the House of Commons and the photographer uses the window frame to FR put the put the photo back up on the screen here it’s really quite something if you look at it like if we still had his look at this if we still had printed history books or encyclopedias this would be in one of them because you look at the Artistry where the photographer is using the natural window frame his foot is still in the air so it’s an
(22:52) action shot the like it’s just an outstanding photo now if you look at the subject matter you’re right I was doing a little contest on my own social media saying what should we name this of the budget will balance itself or I doubled the national debt um I thought maybe the Miley Cyrus song I came in like a wrecking ball um might be more suitable because his tongue is hanging out and this is just fiscal issues again like I’m not exaggerating that man’s government did double the national debt that is the same guy who kept on
(23:23) cranking up carbon taxes on us and when reporters dared ask him about it he simply said well the only people that really feel the cost of the carbon tax Candice are people in gigantic mansions with an indoor swimming pool and three big personal cars you could not have said let them eat cake louder and so this guy’s record is a disaster an absolute fiscal dumpster fire and I know other issues are with that gentleman and that there’s other people that are upset with him about other issues but from a fiscal standpoint just an absolute
(23:57) disaster and so yeah that that photo tells a thousand words doesn’t it I want to move on to talk about the latest with regards to our American neighbors and I thought a good segue to this was to go back to Sunday night and see a clip of our former prime minister Jean cran who I I have a lot of time for these days I think that he’s much more sensible than the run-of-the-mill liberal but I thought this joke was absolutely just in such poor taste and really again pouring gasoline on the fire so here is a clip of former prime minister Jean cran
(24:27) joking about burning down the White House let’s play that clip during the War of 1812 Americans through came to what is know Canada on a mission of Conquest they were defeated by Colonel the celebrity in what is now Quebec and by leaders like the great indigenous Chief tum and I don’t know apparently some burned a White House at that time but I’m told old to do it but I’m told to do it so some say someone burned the White House back then sure that is true during the War of 1812 that happens historical fact in fact the
(25:14) American national anthem is written by someone who observed this and that is what he’s talking about the Rockets spred glare the bombs bursting in air that was the British the Canadians engaging in a war um is that really the best thing to mention and to joke about again you could hear the auditorium burst in Applause when he said that we burn the White House Down and then kind of saying you know they told me to do it like told you to do it to to say it or told you to do it again like burn the White House Down again uh you know part
(25:42) of it is is a language barrier perhaps but you know given the backdrop of President Trump and the back and forth that we’re having we’re still in the middle of a tit fortat with War I want to with with a trade War I want to just quickly Sam before or Chris before I get your uh reaction just the the the latest is that Premier Ford in Ontario said that they Ontario will slap the 25% levy on us-bound electricity so he’s going to go through with that even though we had heard that President Trump was pausing most of the tffs due to the naft of the
(26:13) usmca agreement and in response president Trump on Monday was quite angry about it so I want to read a truth social post that he put up he said despite the fact that Canada is charging the US from 250 to 390 % tariffs on many of our farm products Ontario just announced a 25% search charge on electricity of all things and you’re not even allowed to do that because our tariffs are reciprocal we’ll just get it all back on April 2nd Canada is a tariff abuser and always has been but the United States is going to be subsid is
(26:46) not going to be subsidizing Canada any longer we don’t need your cars we don’t need your Lumber we don’t need your energy and very soon you will find out make America great again with three exclamation points so it seems to me that Doug Ford is just making everything worse and again those those clips of people like Jean cran they circulate the Americans see them they know that that Canadians are mocking them and joking about burning down their White House at the convention where they’re naming the new prime minister I mean it’s not a
(27:15) good look what do you think not a great look and uh years in radio and of listening to former prime minister ketchen I think what he said was I’m too old to do it not told to do it so maybe even little bit more gasoline dumped on the fire like I’m too old to do it now you guys can do it yeah so I’ll just take off my CTF hat for a second here um in more of a radio host mode I’ve interviewed like probably thousands of people from literally every place like a prime minister and people literally locked in prison um you really need to
(27:51) kind of deescalate a situation when they’re trying to get a point across or you’re trying to truly be heard or have someone else feel they are being heard so usually the rule is deescalate find common ground and work towards a solution those three things work well in most arguments um this just seems to be dumping more gas on it and the sad thing is is that it’s always the normal working people Candace that bear the brunt of this um there’s there’s a famous picture of a chessboard where it shows pawns and knights and Rooks all
(28:26) lying down bloodied on the the battlefield of ideas or an actual Battlefield and the king and queen of both sets the black and the white over on the side having dinner right and it just always feels like it’s the average working person the small business person the beef farmer that person the oil the oil patch worker that is going to get kicked over this sort of stuff now as far as whether or not to slap you know extra export tff on power I don’t know I’m of two minds of that because I recently heard listening to our former
(28:58) colleague Brian Lily um talk about this and he’s our former Sun News colleague and he talked about this on some podcasts on Sunday probably on yours as well where he pointed out that that’s the only thing that really got a lot of attention in the states of like hey I’m going to make your power cost more smarten up is that wise I don’t know um it’s a really great question what I’m worried about is that if we do reciprocal tit fortat tariff so to speak all that is is a tax on import it’s just a tax it just means that we’re
(29:31) tying our own shoelaces together and punching ourselves in the face before we get into a fight with somebody who’s much stronger and much bigger than us and I’m really worried that it’s going to be oil oil and gas workers here in Alberta that it’s eventually going to be a farmer or producer across the Prairie that it’s going to be that auto worker in Ontario that’s going to be out of a job and that’s a real thing that’s just not a tally on a spreadsheet that is someone’s home that is someone’s ability to buy food for their kids and so I
(30:01) really am hoping that some of these leaders kind of pull some of the lemon out of this and really work on getting a deal like for example uh Alberta Premier Daniel Smith has been down there pleading and doing a charm offensive and really trying to engage with these folks including US president Donald Trump she went to Mar Lago she’s trying to deal directly with Governors saying hi do you really want 35 cents more per gallon for gasoline cuz that’s what’s going to happen that’s smart and last I heard she’s actually heading down to Florida she’s
(30:32) going to be speaking with the daily wire Ben Shapiro and the whole lot of them that’s good because Trump listens to that media that’s like going on Fox news on a bit of steroids so it’s smart to get that message out there I’m concerned though if they just keep heing heated rhetoric on up up here that it’s just going to make the bear angrier well to stick with Danielle Smith I mean it’s interesting because Premier Doug for sort of seems like a bull in a china shop like sometimes I see him going on Fox News and he’s making a really
(31:02) compelling case say like let’s build a better relationship he calls it Canam let’s like further integrate our markets and have more freedom and that’s great that’s good Ford and then there’s the other side which is like okay let’s dump our chest and we’re going to really make you hurt Americans and the reality is that they are a much bigger Market they can make us hurt a lot more and so to bring it back to Danielle Smith we had Premier Ford yesterday at a press conference calling on Premier Danielle Smith of Alberta to add an export tax on
(31:31) Alberta oil so he wants Danielle Smith and the province of Alberta to follow their path by taxing natural resources uh let’s play that clip we have to remember the 4.3 million barrels of oil that’s coming from Alberta as uh Premier Smith said uh on her comments I think over the last couple days she has the trump card well message to Premier Smith uh one day I think uh you might have to use that Trump card and uh give approval for an export tax uh because you want to talk about uh a trump card that will instantly change the the
(32:09) game instantly change the game well Smith to her credit basically instantly shot this down so writing on X and responding to Premier Ford she said let me be clear Alberta will never agree to such an absurd and self-destructive idea among other things now Not only would it be self-destructive for Alberta in in an era where the federal government has done everything it can Chris to hit Alber Alberta to prevent Alberta from reaching its true like potential and land blocking its oil but also Ontario gets its oil via a pipeline that goes
(32:48) through the United States so just on its on its face this is so absurd for the premier of Ontario to be telling the premier of Alberta to put a tax on oil when that is the oil that goes through the United States and back up through line nine up into Sarnia and across Ontario it’s just it’s so absurd good for Daniel Smith to knock that one down what do you think yeah there as an Alberton um and as somebody who keeps an eye on how much money the energy sector pulls in here the oil patch pulls in here when he says things like that like
(33:16) it makes my scalp crawl like no no you cannot do that and it’s almost it’s good to look at kind of the economy of scale here and what we’re talking about so if Ford for example is trying to put some pressure on the administration in the White House through say the auto sector talking around that issue is smart because we know that that that auto sector between Michigan and Ontario is so integrated that a vehicle from start to finish with all of its components and parts might have crossed that Windsor bridge like 15 times it’s
(33:54) just it’s basically the same organism the Auto sector back forth back forth so Ford would be wise to try to hammer out help hammer out a new deal with Trump using the auto sector kind of as a a vehicle pardon my metaphor so but it’s a smaller portion of the Ontario economy than say the oil patch oil and gas is here for Alberta and exactly to your point thanks to the federal government dragging its feet and strangling our re our projects and our pipelines Alberta really has only one customer yes we have one pipeline that goes out to the West
(34:35) Coast but we don’t have the international market access to be able to say oh that’s fine we’ll just sell elsewhere no we’ve been told we can’t do that for the past 10 years and that is why we sell it at discount down to the United States now there are some intricacies there where there are some refineries especially in the northern United States that have adapted to our form of oil Sans bitamin they would have to retool a bit if they were suddenly trying to find other markets but frankly they get oil from other places too it
(35:06) would be easier for the Americans to decide to get oil from other places too if we started messing around heaven forbid with an export tax on our energy and so that’s why you see Danielle Smith saying like hell will freeze over before that happens and that is definitely the smart thing for her to say Chris Sims thank you so much it’s always a pleasure to have you on the show great to see you today and thanks for your time thanks Candace that was a clip from my Daily Show the Candace Malcolm show where we discuss news politics and culture from a
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